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Diabolic, A guy who is very known like you at HF, needs to grab their attention. You need to tell them that this is one of Omni's successful and great forums, with half of the same people lingering around here too! Tell them that when HF is down, or when they have no PM's or problems, to come here. Try dragging the non-scammers for the market here, Try getting the people who have computer questions to come here, so we can get the HJT more active, and the potential of not having to pay for a group can be useful.